Positional Strategies in Long Ehrenfeucht-FraïSSé Games

نویسندگان

  • Saharon Shelah
  • Jouko A. Väänänen
  • Boban Velickovic
چکیده

We prove that it is relatively consistent with ZF + CH that there exist two models of cardinality א2 such that the second player has a winning strategy in the Ehrenfeucht-Fräıssé-game of length ω1 but there is no σ-closed back-and-forth set for the two models. If CH fails, no such pairs of models exist.

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عنوان ژورنال:
  • J. Symb. Log.

دوره 80  شماره 

صفحات  -

تاریخ انتشار 2015